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UEFA´s Cup 1991-92

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Hi, guys!.

 

This is the first time I write to my friends in Romania.

 

I live in the northern shore of Spain, and I´m a football fan of Sporting de Gijón. Surely most of you remember the amusing matches that faced in 1991 Steaua and Sporting.

 

I´m trying to get from several sources a row of pictures, videos, press reports, personal data, etc about those matches from October 24th, 1991 (Gijón), and November 7th, 1991 (Bucharest). I was only 23 years old then, and now I´m longing for getting some good aid to my rememberings.

 

I´m sure you will help me. I offer you some pieces from my stuff.

 

 

 

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/attachment.p...mp;d=1384478799

 

Dumitrescu

 

 

 

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Joakim Nilsson, Swedish midfielder, with Sporting´s shirt in 1991

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I was only 10 years old then, but I do remember those games. Sporting equalise twice the score in Gijon...it was 2-2. I remember the great goal scored by Ilie Dumitrescu. We won 1-0 in Bucharest.

 

What can I say... it was something special, the year was 1991, and in Romania we were appreciated every match on TV...there were not so many in that time.

 

I do not have newspapers from those times, and I'm sure that if someone still have a ticket it will keep it for himself :)

 

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Thanks, Lorimer, for reading my message.

 

I don´t want to get any ticket, indeed. I just want to give to a PowerPoint file, or a Hoffmann album. So, I just would like to see the fotos, the tickets, the press chronicles, etc on this forum (or on another site, if you know any).

 

Besides this, maybe you would help me, as I need some data about a few players in the

Steaua´s squad from 1991.

 

I´d like to get a photo showing Cornel Mirea (a central defender, born in 1963, who also played for Dinamo B., Victoria B. and Progresul), and another photo showing Eusebio Adrian State (a forward, born in 1968, who also played for Otelul, Arges P. and Farul Constanta).

 

I´m interested too in getting the height and weight of the same Cornel Mirea, and the ones of Toni Ionel Sedecaru (right defender, born in 1967), Bogdan Bucur (central defender, born in 1970), Aurel Silviu Panait (right defender, born in 1968), and finally Iulian Minea (forward, born in 1969).

 

All of them played in the UEFA´s Cup 1991-92, faced Sporting de Gijón, and now I´m trying to make a picture showing all these players and their data on the pitch. I´ll be glad to share this picture with all of you when it´s fulfilled.

 

Thanks a lot, in advance!.

 

 

Really, Ilie Dumitrescu was a very powerful player. I believe that the victory of Steaua in 1991 was very just, as Sporting had anything to do in front of players like him, Galca or Vladoiu.

 

Did Dumitrescu usually play on the left or on the right side of the pitch?.

 

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I´m interested too in getting the height and weight of the same Cornel Mirea, and the ones of Toni Ionel Sedecaru (right defender, born in 1967), Bogdan Bucur (central defender, born in 1970), Aurel Silviu Panait (right defender, born in 1968), and finally Iulian Minea (forward, born in 1969).

 

Those informations you need are not on the internet, but I will try to search in books. I will also speak with my friends and maybe someone will be able to help you.

 

Ilie Dumitrescu controlled the ball with his right foot, but he played most of the time in the left side.

 

I will also ask if anyone still have a newspaper from 1991. I cannot promise you anything.

 

Sporting Gijon was able to beat the great AC Milan trained by Sacchi. That was something brilliant in that time, even if they could not qualified for the next round. :) Can you tell me more about that match? Have you been there?

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Those informations you need are not on the internet, but I will try to search in books. I will also speak with my friends and maybe someone will be able to help you. Ilie Dumitrescu controlled the ball with his right foot, but he played most of the time in the left side. I will also ask if anyone still have a newspaper from 1991. I cannot promise you anything. Sporting Gijon was able to beat the great AC Milan trained by Sacchi. That was something brilliant in that time, even if they could not qualified for the next round. :) Can you tell me more about that match? Have you been there?

 

 

 

 

Thanks, Lorimer, for your help. I trust in you. Please don´t forget the photos showing Cornel Mirea and Eusebio Adrian State.

 

 

About Sporting de Gijón, the victory over AC Milan is still remembered on Sporting´s fórums. We think about it as our best moment in Europe. Sporting missed the best goalkeeper in our history, Ablanedo II, who was injured then. The team was a mixture of young players who weren´t strong enough, and some good veterans. The young Eloy was very pressed to become the star of the squad, because the Uruguayan striker Wilmar Cabrera wasn´t able to score. Joaquín was the man who put the quality, and unfortunately he couldn´t play the retour match in Italy. Joaquín would be our captain still 4 years later, when we visited Bucharest.

 

Of course, AC Milan was a clearly better team than Sporting, but a good defensive match and a great goal by Jaime gave us the victory in Gijón. In Lecce, the red and white team didn´t have any chance. But we blame mostly the referee, the Yugoslavian Petrovic, who blowed two penalty kicks for tackles commited outside the box.

 

I didn´t see the match in Gijón, but I know that it was an ugly match between two sides who played a very shy game. The new AC Milan was still in formation, and Sporting de Gijón was not able to play better.

 

I´ll try to send to you some images son. I´m not able to understand very well this forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jaime scored against AC Milan.

He, too, scored the goal number 1.000 for Sporting de Gijón.

 

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Informations from that period are very hard to get, since very little were released to the public, but we will do our best to help you.

 

Aurel Silviu (nickname "Joe" ) Panait. We also used to call him "The Indian" :)

Height: 180 cm Weight : 73 kg.

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Thanks, Empyro, I´m very glad to be receiving your help.

 

 

 

Here in Spain we usually believe that Steaua was a team supported by the army of the ancient communist power. Was this true?.

 

And then, do we have to suppose that all the players belonging to Steaua in the 70s or the 80s were, at least, friendly and faithful to the communist authorities?. I guess they just loved to play football and to get their money that way, but I´m not sure.

 

Where did Steaua got its money from?. Was a public enterprise, owned by the army or the communist party, or just a private club?.

 

Could you tell me something about Dinamo and Steaua, the rivalry, what do they represent?. Why are you supporters to Steaua and not to Dinamo?.

 

In Gijón there is only a big football club. Gijón was still that year 1991 a very industrial town, with 250,000 inhabitants, big works of steel and ship building, and a strong movement of trade unions. In another words, a working class´town with a strong socialist-democrat party in a very young democracy after a 40 years´fascist-conservative dictatorship. The day before Steaua played at El Molinón stadium, red and white players didn´t do their training as a way to give support to a general strike in the region of Asturias.

 

And Rumania had got its freedom only 2 years before. 1991 was a very strange and difficult year in Rumania, I suppose.

 

On the grass, a very good Steaua defeated my Sporting de Gijón. I saw both of the games on TV. Here you can see a good image from the first of them, an amazing image showing Abelardo and Luis Enrique when they were only kids playing for Xeitosa, and two of our best players in 1991 (Bulgarian creative midfielder Iordanov and Swedish left winger Nilsson).

 

 

 

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Young star Juanele passes by Ungureanu and Dumitrescu. October 24th, 1991 (Sporting de Gijón - Steaua).

 

 

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Here in Spain we usually believe that Steaua was a team supported by the army of the ancient communist power. Was this true?.

 

Since there was no possibility for private enterprises, all sports teams were, in some way or another, governmental. Some belonged to the state institutions (Army - Steaua, Police - Dinamo, Railroad Authority - Rapid), some to educational institutions (the ones with the Universitatea/Politehnica in their names) but most of them had links with the big factories or economic conglomerates (Otelul 'Steel' Galati, Tractorul 'Tractor' Brasov etc.). This was possible after a 1946 regulation that asked all previous interbellum teams to associate themselves with a workers' syndicate of some sorts.

 

And then, do we have to suppose that all the players belonging to Steaua in the 70s or the 80s were, at least, friendly and faithful to the communist authorities?. I guess they just loved to play football and to get their money that way, but I´m not sure.

 

The footballers from that period were pretty much like the ones today: ready to drink themselves under the table, obsessed with women and lacking even the limited interest in politics. In Romania communism had two facets. First of all, there was the political construction, which interested few people. Apart from the ruling class, most of us (and I introduce myself in it as an ex-leader of my pioneer class) had no desire to follow what amounted to a lot of bullshit served on a silver platter. The second one comprised of the really bad traits that communism helped to sustain and harness: disinterest for community, working the minimum amount as not to provoke the anger of the superiors, disrespect for property etc.

 

The footballer were regular Romanians in this regard.

 

Where did Steaua got its money from?. Was a public enterprise, owned by the army or the communist party, or just a private club?.

 

It was an Army department and it was treated like one. But apart from the regular budget, some money came from "shady" deals. You have to understand that the footballers were officially Army employees, receiving pay as any soldier would... but most of their income relied not on this official sum but on bonuses and under-the-table understandings. You couldn't keep good players without good pay and you couldn't aim for titles or cups with a disadvantaged spending system.

 

Could you tell me something about Dinamo and Steaua, the rivalry, what do they represent?. Why are you supporters to Steaua and not to Dinamo?.

 

Theoretically the rivalry began in 1948, at the first game between those two. But in fairness the rivalry started as a conflict between two competing state institutions: the Army and the Police. There are countless sources that present the friendly relations between the players of the two teams and countless sources that picture the cold war between the heads of the two institutions. I'd say the rivalry grew as a result of the Ceausescu-Draghici dispute: in the last years of Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej (the first communist dictator), two of his closest men were considered heirs to his position: Nicolae Ceausescu, who had been in some capacity or other protector of the armed forces, and Alexandru Draghici, the Minister for Internal Affairs. The conflict spilled to their subordinates and football became the primary battlefield between the two armies.

 

The reason for being a Steaua supporter is different from one way to another. Some are Bucharest natives and so were introduced to the fan lifestyle pretty early. Some love the Army connection (since it portrays you as a patriotic individual), some are in love with the title/cup haul and most importantly proud of its European Cup. You have to understand that after 1984 (when Dinamo held superiority in the title race), Steaua won 15 titles to Dinamo's 6 (and I'm not even counting the European success). That's a pretty uneven race for any young Romanian looking for a favourite team.

 

In Gijón there is only a big football club. Gijón was still that year 1991 a very industrial town, with 250,000 inhabitants, big works of steel and ship building, and a strong movement of trade unions. In another words, a working class´town with a strong socialist-democrat party in a very young democracy after a 40 years´fascist-conservative dictatorship. The day before Steaua played at El Molinón stadium, red and white players didn´t do their training as a way to give support to a general strike in the region of Asturias.

 

This is the difference. While theoretically the Romanian teams belonged to workers' institutions, syndicates or factories, the worker movement was just an auxillary to the state. There was no higher purpose, no socialist mentality. The players, the bosses were not there to advance the interests of the working people, just to get by and make some money.

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Thanks a lot for your message, 0anonim0. I´ve been reading it with a great interest.

 

Now I´d like to share with you the press chronicles from 1991 published by El Mundo Deportivo (The Sporting World, a newspaper from Barcelona).

 

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The pictures showing how Steaua and Sporting did play are made by me. I hope they are right, but if you find any mistake, please tell me.

 

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Would you talk to me about how was the ambience on the stands in Bucuresti in 1991?. Did people sing, shout, drink, or what while they were looking to the Steaua´s matches?. Was it cheap or expensive to see football on the stadium?.

 

Would you, please, write a little description of how was the way Steaua´s footballers used to play, their strengths and weaknesses?. I could do the same about Sporting´s players if it is useful to you.

 

And, of course, I´d be glad to see some photograph from those matches of 1991, or press chronicles.

 

 

 

Cheers.

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Hello again, my friends.

 

I keep looking for some image showing Cornel Mirea (a central defender, born in 1963, who played for Steaua, Dinamo B., Victoria B. and Progresul), and another image showing Eusebio Adrian State (a forward, born in 1968, who played for Steaua, Otelul, Arges Pitesti and Farul Constanta).

 

Are they on the pictures that I share with you, that belong to Steaua and Dinamo?.

 

Would you please, put a mark above them if they appear on the images?.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

 

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