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Hagi zic ca era un fotbalist deosebit..aici nu cred ca putem sai comparam si sa vorbim despre Pele si maradona ca majoritate de aici cand ei jucau noi eram copii...eu sincer doar filmulete mici si golurile pe care le stie toti iam vazut...dar pe HAGĂ° am trait....un fotbalist un om deosebit...pe teren nu se lupta doar cu fotbalistii adversi...se lupta si cu tribunele si cu arbitrii si cu banca de rezerva ai adversarilor...punea tot sufletul pe teren....pe teren foarte rau putea sa faca orice ca sa castige...dar in afara terenului un domn extraordinar de bun...HAGĂ° este singurul meu idol de fotbal (in afara de cativa jucatori Turci pe care ii iubesc lafel cum iubesc pe HAGĂ°)ex.HAKAN ȘÃœKÃœR (tot care l-am trait dar mai vechi care doar am citit si am urmarit programe despre ei : METĂ°N OKTAY si ''BABA'' GÃœNDÃœZ (GÃœNDÃœZ KILIÇ)....(fotbalist si la urma antrenor la GALATASARY printre anii 1930-195...) era un antrenor care presedintele clubului nu avea curajul sa il intrebe dece pierde echipa....

si METĂ°N OKTAY care era iubit si de catre suporterii lui fener si de catre suporterii lui besiktas si de catre toata tara...in anii 1955-1969 a jucat la GALATASARAY (1961-1962 palermo)...si in anii aia cand juca el pe vremea aia cand se nastea un baiat i se punea numele de METĂ°N...in anul 1955 cand de la izmirspor trebuia sa se transfere la GALATASARAY ia zis nevastasa ori eu ori GALATASARAY si istanbulul...si el ia raspuns...''terog numa face sa fac alegere intre tine si GALATASARAY'' el a murit intr-un accident de masina in anul 1991....

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Ronaldo was simply a phenomenon (Sid Lowe - Sports Illustrated)

 

Ronaldo has left the building. No, not that Ronaldo, the other one. Fat Ronaldo. By the end, he didn't even have exclusive use of his own name anymore; some other guy had come and taken it from him. A prefix had become necessary, a defining trait -- and a pretty sad one at that. Fat Ronaldo. Does it really have to be this way? Can't we agree on Brazilian Ronaldo instead? Or Original Ronaldo? The Original and the Best?

 

Because, make no mistake, Original Ronaldo was the best. The pity is that he was not the very, very, very best. Or that if he was, it was only briefly. He was brilliant but he could have been completely and utterly bloody brilliant. Every. Single. Game. For years and years. Even in the aftermath of his retirement, when everyone wants to remember the best of him; even now, at a time in which people are reacting as if he has just passed away -- and it was a tearful Original Ronaldo himself who described this as his "first death" -- there is a tinge of regret.

 

It is as if we want to judge him for what he could have been but wasn't. Even though what he actually was, was extraordinary.

 

There is something quite bizarre about acting like Ronaldo underachieved when he won two World Cups (albeit his role in the first was nonexistent) and reached a third final -- only to miss out through a fit that ended up debated in the Brazilian parliament, a fit that took a country's chances with it. When he won three World Player awards. When he has scored more World Cup goals than anyone else. When he scored 62 in 97 games for Brazil and more than 350 club goals. And yet, there is something logical about it too. What might have been.

 

Had it not been for two terrible knee injuries; had it not been for a laid-back attitude to life and a fairly casual relationship with his clubs. Had he not thrown money away and built destructive relationships. Had he not departed Barcelona -- something he did in tears after his agents fixed up a deal with Inter Milan. Had he not been occasionally selfish, mistreating teammates and coaches. Had he not walked out on his clubs. Had he stuck around -- after all, Ronaldo played for Inter and Milan, Barcelona and Madrid, plus PSV, and never won the European Cup (Champions League). Had he not had an equally casual relationship with training.

 

Photo Gallery: Rare pictures of Ronaldo

 

When players ran around the pitch at Madrid's training ground, Ronaldo was always last -- despite literally cutting off the corners, giggling as he did so. For every 400 yards his teammates ran, he would do 300 at most. One former Real Madrid coach describes his physical condition as "an insult, absolutely indignant for a professional."

 

The truth is, he was fat. For a footballer, at least. "My body has given up on me," he said this week. If you were being unkind, you'd point out that he gave up on his body too. When Real Madrid faced Arsenal in the Champions League in 2006, Pete Jenson wrote in The Times: "Ronaldo used to be a big game player, now he's just big -- a legend in his own lunchtime."

 

After one match at the Santiago Bernabéu, in which Madrid collapsed to a dreadful defeat, a victorious opponent, seeing Ronaldo stroll from the stadium, a mock bank note stitched into the back of his jeans, remarked: "Look at fatty there; he's Madrid's problem."

 

Thing is, was that player right? Sometimes it was hard not to look at Ronaldo and think: "My God, if you tried ..." But that might be unfair: He fought his way back from a horrific knee injury at Inter and, in the very first game, picked up another one. It is yet another injury that has finally seen him give up now; he has battled back from plenty more. In that sense, he did try.

 

There is another question too: Would Ronaldo really have been any better if he had tried? If he had been stricter? If his effort had been greater? If he hadn't gone out, if he hadn't chased girls -- and, maybe that's the problem: He never chased -- or eaten or drank exactly what he wanted? Or would he have just been less happy -- and, as a result, less of a player? Some think regimenting him, contrary to orthodox thinking, would have destroyed him.

 

When Fabio Capello took over as Real coach in 2006 (for the second time), he asked Ronaldo: "Aren't you ashamed of being so fat?" Ronaldo was more sensitive about criticism than people realized -- and he is far sharper, far more clever than his playful exterior suggests too -- but for most of his career he would have responded: "No." The problem was that could not last forever. Time catches up with everyone -- and with some quicker than others.

 

Until that season, Ronaldo was simply better than everyone else. More talented, more decisive, more confident. He knew he was bloody good. Why run? In his first season (2002-03), he and Iker Casillas won the title for a Madrid side that was nowhere near as good a team as selective memories like to think.

 

A new arrival couldn't believe his eyes during preseason one year, screaming "Run, you fat [expletive]!" at Ronaldo as he ambled about. Ronaldo told him to piss off. "You run," the Brazilian replied, "I don't. I score goals." Five minutes later, Ronaldo had scored, and offered a cheeky: "That OK by you?" It was classic Ronaldo. Even teammates saw the logic in it. A smiling Míchel Salgado recalls players telling the coach not to force him to train: "Ronaldo would say, 'Don't worry, I'll get you two goals' -- and then he would go and get two goals."

 

Ronaldo's charm made it easier to take. He was genuinely funny, a goofy kid. (Perhaps the problem was that he never grew up). He was hard to dislike. Cheeky as heck. On one occasion, Madrid president Florentino Pérez asked him why he couldn't lead a quieter, more domesticated life like Luis Figo, why he had to go out so often. Ronaldo replied with a wink: "If my wife looked like Luis Figo's wife, I'd stay at home more often."

 

He could be awkward at times, a touch arrogant. But his teammates spoke highly of him, even as his lack of effort could infuriate them. He was, most agree, genuine. He would do anything for a laugh. Comedy photo shoots were his forte. This is the cheeky scamp who grinned his way through covers dressed as an astronaut, chef, flamenco dancer, Viking and even Hannibal Lecter. Asked in one interview, "Kylie or Britney?" he responded with a grin: "Both. Together."

 

People remember the escapes to the Rio carnival, the transvestite incident, the wedding that wasn't a wedding, that birthday party, the frankly surreal triangle haircut. But he wasn't just fun off the pitch; he was fun on it too. People also -- and "also" is the word, not "instead" -- remember his football. This week there has been a sense of taking joy from the silly stuff, from the sheer fun of it all. Yes, we talk about commitment to the cause and professionalism, but deep down maybe we all love an errant bon vivant who still manages to be better than anyone else.

 

By the time he left Real Madrid in 2007, the truth is that he was on his way down; when he missed a penalty, one sad headline sighed: "Not even from the spot." But he had scored 30, 31, 24, and 15 goals in his first four seasons. Even in the last of those, when the decline was clearly detectable, he was again running at better than a goal every other game. When he was one on one with the goalkeeper, you knew -- just knew -- that he would score. He was so natural, so cool, so utterly in control. He would dip the shoulder, step over, and bang!

 

And who could forget Old Trafford, April 23, 2003, when he departed to a standing ovation? A thunderous hat trick brought Manchester United fans to their feet, and drew admiring chants of "Fergie, Fergie sign him up." That was a reaction that he rarely got from Madrid's fans, more enamored with the work rate, commitment, attitude and nationality of RaÃșl, with whom Ronaldo was engaged in a barely disguised war. But they still knew he was brilliant. This week, they celebrated him as one of their greats too.

 

So did Barcelona. Ángel Cappa described Ronaldo as "like a rhino -- but with talent." Real Madrid director general Jorge Valdano once famously remarked: "When Ronaldo attacks, it is like the whole herd attacks." He was unstoppable. At that stage, Ronaldo had not joined Madrid. He had been a Barcelona player only one season -- and that was a crime -- but he had left a huge impression on Spanish football. In 1996-97, Ronaldo was unreal. So good, it embarrassed the rest of the league.

 

He could have embarrassed everyone, everywhere. He was so good that had he done that throughout his career, he might just have been deemed the best player ever. And perhaps that is the crux of the issue, the sad realization with which the celebration of his special talent is tinged this week. But is that fair? Shouldn't we just look back on what he did do and go: "Wow!"

 

That season Ronaldo was unstoppable. He just blew you away. He scored 47 in 49 games. You watched him and wondered how he had done it; you knew you'd never seen anything like it. Barcelona won the Copa del Rey, the Cup Winners Cup and the Spanish SuperCup. It scored more than 100 league goals -- Ronaldo got 34 of them. When Barcelona effectively lost the league, it did so in Alicante against Hércules. Ronaldo was back in Brazil. "That day our beast was missing," said Pep Guardiola, saying it all.

 

Watch the goals again and it is incredible just how often he went around the keeper -- something that adds a kind of childish pleasure, a sense of sheer superiority, to his goals. People talk about walking the ball in; Ronaldo so often did. All it lacked was his getting on his hands and knees and heading the ball in from the goal line. He was slim and powerful, skillful, fast and deadly. He was ridiculously good.

 

One goal against Valencia was the perfect demonstration of his power: Two players closed in like sliding doors on the subway, and Ronaldo just bulldozed between them, watched them bounce off and tumble to the floor, then slotted the ball home. Against Deportivo, he was sitting on the floor when the ball dropped to him; before you realized it, he was up, beyond the defenders and the ball was in the net. The cover of Marca newspaper one day merely showed his face and nothing else, no headline, no news. In tiny letters in the bottom corner, it said: "More than words."

 

But the best of all, the defining moment, was that goal against Compostela when he ran from inside his own half as players tried to hold him back, tugging at his shirt. It was like a man playing against kids; the physical difference was astonishing. It was like rugby player Jonah Lomu simply handing off a whole family of Underwoods. It was him against the whole Compostela team. Powerful and skillful, beautiful and bestial. A rhino with talent, indeed.

 

When Ronaldo finally put the ball into the net, the camera panned to his coach, Bobby Robson, on the touchline. Barcelona's subs were on their feet, amazed. Robson had his head in his hands. He simply could not believe what he had seen. And nor could anyone else.

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a fost intr-adevar foarte bun Ronaldo, dar pana la nivelul lui Pele mai e mult.

 

zidane, franco baresi, rijkaard au fost fotbalisti extraordinari.

 

e greu de ales intre atatia si atatia fotbalisti.

 

dupa mine Tudorel Stoica si Belodedici ar fi trebuit sa apara si ei acolo in top 100. Tudorel a fost fotbalistul complet, Belodedici a fost pur si simplu minunat.

 

drogatul ala mic si gras nu are ce cauta pe locul 2, e o rusine.

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Este vorba despre cei mai buni fotbalisti din toate timpurile aici,nu despre caracterele lor.Mic si gras este clar in primii 5 fotbalisti din toate timpurile.Cate meciuri cu Pele ai vazut ca sa spui ca mai e mult pana la el?

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Eu cu Pele nu pot fi de acord niciodata ca a fost cel mai bun jucator din istoria fotbalului. A jucat intr-o perioada in care organizarea in fotbal nu exista, dovada fiind ca sistemele cu 4 atacanti erau folosite de majoritatea echipelor (si nu e singura dovada) si mai mult de Santos nu a trecut (doar in finalul carierei s-a dus in New York). Dar tare curios as fi cum s-ar fi descurcat Pele intr-un meci cu defensiva care a avut-o Mourinho cu Inter pe Camp Nou anul trecut.

 

Ronaldo a fost atacantul perfect. Imi pare rau ca nu l-am vazut niciodata facand cuplu de atac cu portughezul Ronaldo. Ar fi fost probabil cel mai bun cuplu de atacanti din istorie.

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Eu cu Pele nu pot fi de acord niciodata ca a fost cel mai bun jucator din istoria fotbalului. A jucat intr-o perioada in care organizarea in fotbal nu exista, dovada fiind ca sistemele cu 4 atacanti erau folosite de majoritatea echipelor (si nu e singura dovada) si mai mult de Santos nu a trecut (doar in finalul carierei s-a dus in New York). Dar tare curios as fi cum s-ar fi descurcat Pele intr-un meci cu defensiva care a avut-o Mourinho cu Inter pe Camp Nou anul trecut.

 

Ronaldo a fost atacantul perfect. Imi pare rau ca nu l-am vazut niciodata facand cuplu de atac cu portughezul Ronaldo. Ar fi fost probabil cel mai bun cuplu de atacanti din istorie.

 

Mai documenteaza-te erau 2 atacati cu 2 extreme. Initial se juca 2-3-5 (3 atacati si 2 extreme) deci a existat o evolutie a tacticii si exista organizare. Din momentul ce aveau pozitii exista organizare. Pele nu a fost un jucator de fotbal, Pele a fost un zeu. Brazilia nu a pierdut niciodata un meci cu Pele si Garincha in teren! Brazilia 1970 cu Pele in frunte a spulberat una din cele mai mari echipe ale Italiei in finala. Cauta pe youtube Pele, ai sa vezi magie.

 

 

 

Despite numerous offers from European clubs, the economic conditions and Brazilian football regulations at the time benefited Santos, thus enabling them to keep Pelé for almost two decades until 1974.

 

Cum s-ar fi descurcat Pele? Crezi ca daca ar fi jucat in prezent ii disparea talentul? Atunci Ronaldinho cum de a putut sa faca magie cu mingea in vremurile astea tacticizate? Calitatile si talentul lui Pele nu ar fi disparut asa din senin pentru ca aparea tactica lu mourinho de a sta cu curu in poarta gen cartu cu autobaza

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@ady.fcsb

nu am vazut foarte multe meciuri cu Pele. insa in niciunul din ele Pele nu a fost degeaba in teren, nu degeaba a marcat peste 1000 de goluri.

in schimb drogatul ala mic si gras a avut destule meciuri in care nu facea nimic, ca el era prea mare vedeta pentru ca macar sa se uite la ce face echipa in aparare

sunt convins ca un jucator ca Pele si astazi ar face mucii cravata la o echipa intreaga

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Clasamentele mi se par o tampenie. Importanta e bucuria fotbalului si nu cine a fost mai bun, mai ales ca nu e nimeni autorizat sa faca asemenea clasamente.

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Steve Gerrard Gerrard

He pass the ball 40 yards

He's big and he's fucking hard

STEVE GERRARD GERRARD

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Steve Gerrard Gerrard

He pass the ball 40 yards

 

Asta imi aduce aminte de pasa spre Drogba. Bun idol, ce sa zic.

 

Si in continuare:

He kisses the badge on his chest,

Then puts in a transfer request,

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard

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in schimb drogatul ala mic si gras a avut destule meciuri in care nu facea nimic, ca el era prea mare vedeta pentru ca macar sa se uite la ce face echipa in aparare

 

Ar fi fost o blasfemie sa pui un astfel de pianist sa care pianul!...Maradona castiga meciuri si trofee de unul singur,asta era rolul sau.Sunt de acord insa cu tine ca "drogatul ala mic si gras "nu are ce cauta pe locul 2! E clar ca lumina zilei ca e leader detasat al acestui clasament...

 

sunt convins ca un jucator ca Pele si astazi ar face mucii cravata la o echipa intreaga

 

Sa fim totusi serios,pe cand juca Pele, jocul de fotbal era mai mult placere decat lupta si strategie cum a devenit ulterior,chiar si pe vremea lui Maradona...Daca ar juca Pele azi probabil ar fi un jucator foarte bun,asta daca ajungea sa joace la un nivel inalt.Ca pe vremea lui nu se prea accidentau fotbalistii ca ulterior.

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Former Brazil captain Socrates was back in intensive care in a Sao Paulo hospital on Saturday with an intestinal problem and on a life support machine.

 

According to a medical bulletin at the Albert Einstein Israeli Hospital, the 57-year-old has a serious infection that has spread to his blood stream and septic shock. He was also receiving dialysis treatment, the hospital added. It is his third time in hospital since August when he spent nine days there due to a digestive haemorrhage and admitted he drank heavily.

 

Socrates, who played for Brazil as a midfielder at the 1982 and 1986 World Cups, spent another 17 days in the hospital in September with liver trouble.

 

A qualified doctor, he sprung to fame at Corinthians in the early 1980s on and off the field with radical political beliefs including seeking a greater voice for players in club decisions.

 

The bearded, lanky Socrates, known by his nickname "Magrao" (Big Skinny), was not a strong player but he had elegance and technique and became famous for his backheels. He is still regarded as one of Corinthians greatest players

and helped the club from Sao Paulo win the state championship in 1979, 1982 and 1983.

 

He captained the brilliant 1982 Brazilian side, regarded by many as the best not to win the World Cup after they failed to

advance past the second round. He missed a penalty in Brazil's shootout loss to France in the quarter-finals at the 1986 finals in Mexico. After he retired from playing he practised as a doctor and also worked as a media pundit.

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Din nefericire, Socrates a pierdut ieri dimineata lupta cu boala. La cateva ore distanta, clubul la care a facut performanta, Corinthians, avea sa castige al 5-lea titlu din istorie.

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TOP 50 cei mai buni DRIBLEORI din istoria fotbalului

 

 

Unul dintre cele mai importante site-uri de specialitate din Anglia a realizat un top al celor mai fini dribleuri, retrasi din activitate, din istoria fotbalului.

 

Un singur roman si-a facut loc printre nume importante, precum Pele, fratii Laudrup, Zola si Zidane: Nicolae Dobrin.

 

Cei de la bleacherreport.com scriu despre fostul jucator al celor de la FC Argeș că a fost aproape de un transfer la Real Madrid. Fiind privit ca un jucator esential pentru nationala Romaniei, fotbalul mondial nu a putut niciodată să-l vadă in derby-uri de traditie, Dobrin jucand numai in campionatul intern.

 

TOP 50

1. Ronaldo

2. Garrincha

3. Diego Maradona

4. George Best

5. Pelé

6. Zinedine Zidane

7. Sir Stanley Matthews

8. Johan Cruyff

9. Alfredo Di Stéfano

10. Dennis Bergkamp

11. Jimmy Johnstone

12. Dejan SaviÇeviÇ

13. Nicolae Dobrin

14. Marc Overmars

15. Jairzinho

16. Luís Figo

17. Rivelino

18. Dragan StojkoviÇ

19. Zico

20. Giuseppe Meazza

21. Omar Sívori

22. Enzo Francescoli

23. Roberto Baggio

24. Robert ProsineÍki

25. Paul Gascoigne

26. László Kubala

27. Flórián Albert

28. Patsy Gallacher

29. Eddie Gray

30. Sir Tom Finney

31. Georgi Kinkladze

32. Paulo Futre

33. Romário

34. Denílson

35. Gianfranco Zola

36. Jay-Jay Okocha

37. John Barnes

38. David Ginola

39. Vassilis Hatzipanagis

40. Kurt Hamrin

41. Djalminha

42. Brian Laudrup

43. Michael Laudrup

44. Matt Le Tissier

45. Pierre Littbarski

46. Steve McManaman

47. Mágico González

48. Chris Waddle

49. Oktay DerelioĂŸlu

50. Fernando Redondo

 

 

Din cei pe care i-am vazut eu live, si sunt pe lista, cei mai buni dribleori mi se par Okocha, Djalminha, fratii Laudrup, Zola, Gascoine, Prosinecki, Figo, Baggio, Bergkam, Zidane si Ronaldo (adevaratul).

 

In lista de mai sus au amestecat mai multe categorii. Spre exemplu, Overmars avea depasiri fantastice, dar nu stiu daca dribling se numea aia. La fel si Denilson, la fel si Hagi sau Ginola, spre exemplu.

 

Lipsesc un Del Piero, un Cantona, un Paul Merson, un Bravo, un Karpin, un Mostovoi, un Scholl, un Hassler, un Aspe, un Valderama, un Amor, un Boban, un Adi Ilie, un Weah, un Asanovici, astia au fost dribleori prin excelenta, astia incantau, nici nu exista John Barnes :)) in fata lor. Mark Hughes, de la MU, ce dribleor fantastic era ala, sau Kanchelskis, tot de la ei. Vorbesc doar de cei pe care i-am vazut, nu mai zic de cei despre care am citit. Si cati dribleori erau, doar in anii `90.

 

Nu stiu ce criteriu au folosit, dar intre dribling, fenta si depasire sunt diferente mari.

 

Nu mai vorbesc de aparitia lui Matt le Tissier. Il urmaream mereu. Asta, fara exagerare, n-a driblat pe nimeni in toata viata lui. Sunt foarte multi britanici de-ai lor, absolut nejustificat, si topul e facut cam dupa ureche. Nu e reprezentativ, e doar o incercare.

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Si unul care nu trebuia sa lipseasca, Ariel Ortega. Cand l-a inlocuit pe Maradona, prins pozitiv, la meciul cu Romania, a fost incredibil. Omul lui de marcaj, Lupescu, spunea ca n-a fost alergat in viata lui de nimeni, cum l-a alergat Ortega. Iar perioadele de la Valencia si Fenerbahce sunt reperul "tehnicitatii". Si mai lipseste un Veron, printre altii.

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Topul ala din punctul meu de vedere e TOTAL ERONAT. Discutii au fost, sunt si vor fi, dar cum spunea cineva mai sus, Pele facea magie. "Controla mingea cu puterea mintii". Te trec fiorii daca urmaresti o inregistrare cu el. Felul cum dribleaza, totul. In vremea aceea echipele puternice cautau brazilienii (ca si in zilele acestea) de asta el a ramas in Brazilia si nu a mai castigat Nimeni 3 cupe mondiale la rand nici in ziua de astazi. S-au facut multe topuri dar nici unul care totusi sa aiba in spate niste argumente si multe lume care lipsesc in unele topuri. Nu poti uita de Cantona, Gullit, Dobrin, Salas, Riva, Rudi Voller, Klismann, multe multe nume. Ronald Koeman! E inclus intr-un singur top si nu cred ca exista in ziua de azi un jucator cu precizia paselor si centrarilor ale lui Koeman. Oricum topuri vor mai fi, dar mai bine sa ne bucuram de meciurile care le-au lasat aceste legende.

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Hai sa fim seriosi cu Pele, a jucat in niste vremuri cand echipele jucau constant cu doar 2 fundasi si 4 atacanti. Fotbalul atunci era mai mult o placere de duminica pentru toata lumea, inclusiv pentru actori.

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N-ai inteles. Ma refer la faptul ca nivelul fotbalului atunci era ceva mai modest. Nu se juca tactic decat foarte putin.

 

Acum au aparut atatea scoli de antrenori ca nici nu stii pe care s-o alegi.

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Hai sa fim seriosi cu Pele, a jucat in niste vremuri cand echipele jucau constant cu doar 2 fundasi si 4 atacanti.

 

Asta nu e adevarat, daca e sa fim seriosi si sa privim peste habarnismul ridicat la rang de adevar castigat.

 

Pele a jucat in niste vremuri in care cei 2 fundasi exponenti ai romantismului disparusera de mult. Cam cu vreo 10 ani inainte sa aiba el 20...

 

Brazilia - Brazilia!!! - juca cu 4 fundasi inca din 1958. Catenaccio era religia unora in anii `60.

 

Fotbalul "lejer" :w00t: insemna atacuri cu talpa ridicata - regulamentare -, alunecari de la spate - regulamentar -, coate in cap la sarituri - regulamentare -, marcaj cu mana pe atacant - regulamentar samd.

 

Pele a jucat intr-un fotbal in care eliminarile au fost introduse regulmentar cand el avea 30 de ani, abia in 1970 - pana atunci nu existau. Fotbalistii nu erau schimbati, adica jucau cu picioarele invinetite si pline de sange - asta era "lejerul". Fotbalul era net mai dur decat cel de acum, fara sa mai vorbim de putinatatea mijloacelor de recuperare, medicale si de pregatire.

 

Va inchipuiti ce "lejer" era fotbalul din vremea lui Pele fata de azi, cand Hagi, Messi sau Ronaldo primeau fault daca se uita vreunu` mai urat la ei.

 

Lita Dumitru poveste cum in Mexic (cand deja se inasprisera serios, chiar se revolutionasera masurile de protectie a jucatorilor - legalizarea eliminarilor si schimbarilor), l-a injurat, scuipat si lovit pe Pele tot meciul fara ca arbitrul sa-i faca nimic. Inchipuiti-va ca i-ar atinge cineva cu un scuipat sau vreun pumn in coaste ori la ficati pe cei de azi - ar fi un caz planetar.

 

Fotbalul atunci era mai mult o placere de duminica pentru toata lumea, inclusiv pentru actori.

 

Fotbalul din vremea lui Pele era orice altceva decat o placere de duminica pentru toata lumea, inclusiv pentru actori. E redundant sa incerci sa explici popularitatea fotbalului din acei ani, nivelul in care afecta socialul.

 

Cine spune o asemenea prapastie, e cu vreo 50 de ani dupa timpuri. A sarit primele 199 de pagini din alea 200 ale cursului.

 

N-ai inteles. Ma refer la faptul ca nivelul fotbalului atunci era ceva mai modest. Nu se juca tactic decat foarte putin.

 

In rest, e chestie de gust (ca sa ma exprim mult prea generos) daca-l consideri mai meserias pe inginerul-sef de la Boeing din anul 2012 decat pe ala care a ridicat primele bucati de lemn si panza de la pamant, sau pe ala care a zburat primul peste Carpati sau peste Atlantic.

 

Ca ala traia intr-o vremea lejera in care era distractie de duminica si habar n-aveau de gps, fraierii, pe cand astia de azi fac avioane de 800 de locuri si-ti dau si sticlutele din alea mici cu vodka pe care poti sa le iei, cate 7-9, cand nu te vede nimeni sa-ti faca observatie.

Edited by Gandalf the White

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Inteleg ca ai cunostinte din fotbalul de acum 50 de ani, daca-as fi un alt utlizator, unul cu nickname de rapper, ti-as zice ca n-ai voie sa vorbesti ca nu ai trait acele vremuri.

 

Nu contest ca fotbalul era mai dur atunci, posibil sa ai dreptate, am urmarit foarte putine meciuri in comparatie cu ce urmaresc acum ca sa zic, dar vorbesc de dificultatea mult redusa cu care se ajungea la poarta adversa. Vorbesc de nivelul tactic, care se lucra foarte putin atunci. Multe echipe jucau cu 4 atacanti care nu ajungeau in terenul propriu decat atunci cand incepeau incidentele. Pana si la fazele fixe echipele unele echipe se aparau cu 6-7 jucatori, lucru de neconceput astazi.

 

Nu mai vorbesc de pregatirea fizica care nu e niciodata cum o vedem astazi. Pai atunci fotbalistii fumau 2-3 pachete de tigari pe zi si rezistau 90 de minute fara mari probleme.

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